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Post by happycarrot on Feb 20, 2016 11:15:16 GMT
What ever happened to those lemon towel things they used to give out at KFC? Probably banned by the EU or some other people. Do gooders
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Post by The Funkasaurus on Feb 20, 2016 13:36:00 GMT
23rd June for the referendum.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Feb 20, 2016 14:11:50 GMT
23rd June for the referendum. Yep, time to put up or shut up. EVERYBODY OUT!!!!!!!!!!! ;D |
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Post by happycarrot on Feb 20, 2016 14:41:24 GMT
23rd June for the referendum. For the lemon towels? A yes for me but change the coffee |
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Post by RickyFullerBeer on Feb 20, 2016 14:59:30 GMT
shut down hopefully, that would stop about 50% of litter on the roadsides from the slimeballs that throw it out of the windows of their cars, or just drop it in the streets Cars? The fuckers that go in there can't read never mind drive cars. They usually leave all that shit on the bus. Explain the idea of the Drive-Thru system then? |
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Post by EnricoPalazzo on Feb 20, 2016 15:21:37 GMT
Cars? The fuckers that go in there can't read never mind drive cars. They usually leave all that shit on the bus. Explain the idea of the Drive-Thru system then? The concept is obviously lost on him. |
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Post by The Turtle on Feb 20, 2016 16:38:23 GMT
Nice graphic on where the cash goes. If, like me, you believe in wealth re-distribution and helping out poorer people, one third of the EU budget going towards the poorer regions of Europe is a good thing. I'm sure some (including no doubt the Daily Mail!) will allow the 62bn spent on administration to distract them from the main purpose of spending but hey ho.  |
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Post by swampsnake on Feb 20, 2016 16:54:12 GMT
I think it's 20 years now since those figures have been signed off by the auditors. The European Union makes FIFA look respectable.
It looks great in the graphic but the farming policy appears to be a mess with surpluses and inefficiencies. As for the lesser nations they've encourages development in Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and made them into basket cases. We're funding a fair whack of this and it's going to get worse because there's no way we'll leave the EU. There won't be any debate it'll be wall to wall fear, fear and more fear as in the Scottish referendum but on an even greater scale.
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Post by starkiller on Feb 20, 2016 18:10:16 GMT
Fuck it off!
For those struggling for a suitable campaign slogan.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Feb 20, 2016 18:49:20 GMT
Nice graphic on where the cash goes. If, like me, you believe in wealth re-distribution and helping out poorer people, one third of the EU budget going towards the poorer regions of Europe is a good thing. I'm sure some (including no doubt the Daily Mail!) will allow the 62bn spent on administration to distract them from the main purpose of spending but hey ho. I have no interest in sending our money to others. We need to look after our own first. |
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Post by The Funkasaurus on Feb 20, 2016 19:56:35 GMT
We can more than afford to do both.
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Post by adolf on Feb 20, 2016 20:44:57 GMT
Cars? The fuckers that go in there can't read never mind drive cars. They usually leave all that shit on the bus. Explain the idea of the Drive-Thru system then? I can't. Never been to a drive thru. What is it? |
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Post by swampsnake on Feb 20, 2016 20:53:13 GMT
Explain the idea of the Drive-Thru system then? I can't. Never been to a drive thru. What is it? It's where America takes your money in return for fine cuisine. |
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Post by adolf on Feb 20, 2016 21:05:01 GMT
Why not subsidise that stupid statement for a better one. What a dickhead comment. You sound like a right dickhead. Deliberately offensive. What's wrong sonny didn't mummy give you enough attention as a child? |
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Post by EnricoPalazzo on Feb 20, 2016 21:43:00 GMT
Why not subsidise that stupid statement for a better one. What a dickhead comment. You sound like a right dickhead. Deliberately offensive. What's wrong sonny didn't mummy give you enough attention as a child? Not a big fan of bigots.. . Sonny. |
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Post by JonesInAMillion on Feb 20, 2016 23:02:08 GMT
Referendum only just announced and I'm sick of it already.
I want in and out, pitty Cameron is wank at negotiating decent terms for us...
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Post by The Turtle on Feb 21, 2016 9:04:53 GMT
Nice graphic on where the cash goes. If, like me, you believe in wealth re-distribution and helping out poorer people, one third of the EU budget going towards the poorer regions of Europe is a good thing. I'm sure some (including no doubt the Daily Mail!) will allow the 62bn spent on administration to distract them from the main purpose of spending but hey ho. I have no interest in sending our money to others. We need to look after our own first. Why stop there? Why bother helping out less well off people in this country too if sending money to others is a problem for you. Or is it the fact that they're foreign so you don't give a shit about them? |
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Post by The Turtle on Feb 21, 2016 9:20:52 GMT
I think it's 20 years now since those figures have been signed off by the auditors. The European Union makes FIFA look respectable. It looks great in the graphic but the farming policy appears to be a mess with surpluses and inefficiencies. As for the lesser nations they've encourages development in Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and made them into basket cases. We're funding a fair whack of this and it's going to get worse because there's no way we'll leave the EU. There won't be any debate it'll be wall to wall fear, fear and more fear as in the Scottish referendum but on an even greater scale. Its always fear, nothing new about that. Fear of new taxes, fear of national security threat, fear that Corbyn wants to give the Falklands back, fear that we're going to give all our money away, fear of immigrants swamping the country, fear that we'll all be living under Sharia law in 20 years, fear fear fear etc etc etc. Stupid people are easily scared by political sound bites and favourable press coverage. The reality is that being born in the UK or Europe right now is to have won life's lottery and that's not going to change any time soon. I like the idea of the EU. By and large it seeks to do the right thing which is help poorer nations. It needs reform not break up or exit. A lot of anti-EU sentiment is simple xenophobia, not wanting anything to do with 'them', forgetting that the ruling Westminster class is just as far removed from us and our benefit. But at least they're one of us so it doesn't matter! |
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Post by swampsnake on Feb 21, 2016 10:04:42 GMT
I think it's 20 years now since those figures have been signed off by the auditors. The European Union makes FIFA look respectable. It looks great in the graphic but the farming policy appears to be a mess with surpluses and inefficiencies. As for the lesser nations they've encourages development in Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and made them into basket cases. We're funding a fair whack of this and it's going to get worse because there's no way we'll leave the EU. There won't be any debate it'll be wall to wall fear, fear and more fear as in the Scottish referendum but on an even greater scale. Its always fear, nothing new about that. Fear of new taxes, fear of national security threat, fear that Corbyn wants to give the Falklands back, fear that we're going to give all our money away, fear of immigrants swamping the country, fear that we'll all be living under Sharia law in 20 years, fear fear fear etc etc etc. Stupid people are easily scared by political sound bites and favourable press coverage. The reality is that being born in the UK or Europe right now is to have won life's lottery and that's not going to change any time soon. I like the idea of the EU. By and large it seeks to do the right thing which is help poorer nations. It needs reform not break up or exit. A lot of anti-EU sentiment is simple xenophobia, not wanting anything to do with 'them', forgetting that the ruling Westminster class is just as far removed from us and our benefit. But at least they're one of us so it doesn't matter! There's a difference here. There'll be a unified approach from all the political parties all coming together with that message of fear of break up this time backed by the SNP as well. The reality of the EU is that proud nations like Greece have been turned into dependencies. The EU doesn't work take the fine recent programme by Simon Reeves on the state of Greece as an example. The EU doesn't control borders and eventually somewhere down the line there'll be a price to pay in more than cash. It's difficult to imagine being xenophobic to an institution. I heard the phrase from a Labour? politician yesterday Love Europe hate the EU which possibly makes a distinction between the two. Of course there are people out there who want to blur the edges to bring a racist slur to the debate. As for Westminster the public in the UK get a meaningful vote every five years to get rid of it's incumbents. The UK public has never had a meaningful vote on the EU. The original vote allegedly hade nothing to do with political union. |
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Post by The Turtle on Feb 21, 2016 11:17:15 GMT
Its always fear, nothing new about that. Fear of new taxes, fear of national security threat, fear that Corbyn wants to give the Falklands back, fear that we're going to give all our money away, fear of immigrants swamping the country, fear that we'll all be living under Sharia law in 20 years, fear fear fear etc etc etc. Stupid people are easily scared by political sound bites and favourable press coverage. The reality is that being born in the UK or Europe right now is to have won life's lottery and that's not going to change any time soon. I like the idea of the EU. By and large it seeks to do the right thing which is help poorer nations. It needs reform not break up or exit. A lot of anti-EU sentiment is simple xenophobia, not wanting anything to do with 'them', forgetting that the ruling Westminster class is just as far removed from us and our benefit. But at least they're one of us so it doesn't matter! There's a difference here. There'll be a unified approach from all the political parties all coming together with that message of fear of break up this time backed by the SNP as well. The reality of the EU is that proud nations like Greece have been turned into dependencies. The EU doesn't work take the fine recent programme by Simon Reeves on the state of Greece as an example. The EU doesn't control borders and eventually somewhere down the line there'll be a price to pay in more than cash. It's difficult to imagine being xenophobic to an institution. I heard the phrase from a Labour? politician yesterday Love Europe hate the EU which possibly makes a distinction between the two. Of course there are people out there who want to blur the edges to bring a racist slur to the debate. As for Westminster the public in the UK get a meaningful vote every five years to get rid of it's incumbents. The UK public has never had a meaningful vote on the EU. The original vote allegedly hade nothing to do with political union. Not really, you only have to glance through the pages of the Daily Mail, a so-called mid-ranking tabloid, to see that fear of something is behind most of its stories. Politicians know this appeals on a mass basis. Edit: since I wrote this Ian Duncan Smith has come out to try to scare us into thinking terrorism will increase if we stay in. All about fear on both sides, always is. I saw that Reeve programme, it was excellent. From what I could see, most Greeks chose whether to pay taxes or not and there was huge wealth inequality there, neither of which had any direct descent from the EU, but were the main source of its debt problems. Greece should clearly not have been allowed into the group and that's the fault of both the Greek national politicians who obviously lied about their economic status and the EU for not checking enough. But that's like saying our democracy should be got rid of because UKIP got 4million votes at the last election and just one MP. No, it needs reform not chucking out, on the whole it provides a safe and stable platform for transition of governments. The EU, for all its institutional faults just like every other institution, is the same, on the whole, it does what it sets out to, provide cohesion to a historically war riddled continent and help out poorer countries, both admirable aims. We've had multiple governments of both types since 1973 and none has ever been in favour of leaving or offering a vote to do so. I wonder why not if the benefits are so great? I'm afraid I think xenophobia plays a very significant part in all this whether you or I choose to acknowledge it or not. You will hear many times over the next few months a comment which boils down to "we don't want to be told what to do by them" ie Johnny foreigner. |
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