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Post by The Turtle on Apr 23, 2016 7:31:30 GMT
You have to laugh at the outies moaning about Obama. You constantly hear people saying they want to know more about the consequences of leaving or staying so along comes the US president with exactly that and its all hypocrisy, interfering and meddling lies!
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Post by The Funkasaurus on Apr 23, 2016 10:03:56 GMT
I'm actually kind of enjoying watching both sides scaremongering as it is so ridiculous and just another reflection of the kind of shit politics that the Tory mob of Cameron, Gove, Osbourne Johnson have brought into this country.
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Post by The Turtle on Apr 23, 2016 19:21:20 GMT
I'm actually kind of enjoying watching both sides scaremongering as it is so ridiculous and just another reflection of the kind of shit politics that the Tory mob of Cameron, Gove, Osbourne Johnson have brought into this country. It's mainly the campaign managers they've appointed who have brought American style negative campaigning into our electoral system. Sadly, our electorate seems to be just as susceptible to fear campaigns as the Yanks. Tawdry stuff by and large. |
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Post by Campervan Von Bigglesworth on Apr 24, 2016 11:21:14 GMT
Them darkies will steal our jobs, we need to build a wall around London quick
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Post by The Turtle on Apr 24, 2016 18:13:35 GMT
Them darkies will steal our jobs, we need to build a wall around London quick Don't forget to get the darkies to pay for it too. |
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 24, 2016 18:18:25 GMT
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Post by The Turtle on Apr 24, 2016 18:22:27 GMT
Scaremongering outies ;D
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Post by JonesInAMillion on Apr 24, 2016 21:40:19 GMT
If we leave the eu, I'd rather a clean break and fuck all the Gaelic nations off at the same time.
As with princes death and many things that make the news, I really couldn't give a flying as I'm pretty sure it won't have that much of a noticeable impact on my day to day life, generally there's one person who influences my life and that is pretty much me.
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Post by Northy on Apr 25, 2016 6:22:23 GMT
Crackers watching these idiots all trembling with fear incase we leave Europe. Absolutely pathetic. We'll never leave Europe but the EU is a possibility. Europe is wonderful.  Yes, I'm off working there again this week |
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Post by Northy on Apr 25, 2016 6:24:27 GMT
Its disappeared, what was it the locals robbing the water station at yesterdays marathon? |
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Post by Northy on Apr 25, 2016 6:27:28 GMT
All said from an outgoing President who has no power in his own country as the republicans have the majority in the senate, If I was there would have given him a good barrage of heckling, and then a good fookin headbut and show him whose boss ..... Aah that's why he needed that beast of a vehicle.  They're already murmuring back in the States according to 5Live this afternoon. Seems strange that the USA don't want to trade with a country with a population of 60 million that supports them in every war going and commits 2% of it's GDP on defence  at their bequest. Sounds like bollocks to me aimed at the gullible We could agree trade agreements with 20 countries by the time the EU agrees 1 |
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 25, 2016 12:29:27 GMT
Its disappeared, what was it the locals robbing the water station at yesterdays marathon? Yes! |
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Post by Northy on Apr 25, 2016 12:48:37 GMT
Its disappeared, what was it the locals robbing the water station at yesterdays marathon? Yes! And all of a certain colour. |
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Apr 25, 2016 13:21:40 GMT
And all of a certain colour. No. Lol |
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Post by swampsnake on Apr 25, 2016 17:00:47 GMT
Aah that's why he needed that beast of a vehicle. They're already murmuring back in the States according to 5Live this afternoon. Seems strange that the USA don't want to trade with a country with a population of 60 million that supports them in every war going and commits 2% of it's GDP on defence at their bequest. Sounds like bollocks to me aimed at the gullible We could agree trade agreements with 20 countries by the time the EU agrees 1 Obama is right when he says it could take up to ten years. It took the USA 10 months to conclude a trade deal with Australia and technically 10 months is up to 10 years. |
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Post by The Turtle on Apr 25, 2016 18:23:28 GMT
People will believe anything if it suits their argument I'm sure there's ten months in there somewhere but it's quite obvious really that the discussions, groundwork, ratification and enactment took more like four years. And that's just between two countries! ;D From wikipedia: It was not until early 2001, after the election of George W. Bush in the U.S. and with John Howard in power in Australia, that an Australia-U.S. FTA finally began to take shape. In April 2001, President Bush signalled his interest in pursuing an FTA with Australia provided "everything is on the table". Following this, in 2004, the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade commissioned a private consultancy – the Centre for International Economics (CIE) – to model the economic impacts of such an agreement. Negotiations for the FTA began in April 2003 and after five rounds of negotiations held in Canberra, Hawaii and Washington, D.C., the text was finally agreed to in February 2004, and signed off on by Australian Trade Minister Mark Vaile and U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick in Washington in May 2004. The FTA was ratified by the United States Congress with the passage of the United States-Australia Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act. It was passed by the House of Representatives on 14 July 2004 by a vote of 314–109 and by the Senate on 15 July 2004 by a vote of 80–16,[2] and signed into law by President George W. Bush on 3 August 2004.[3] In Australia, the agreement's implementing legislation, the US Free Trade Agreement Implementation Act 2004, was reluctantly passed, with amendments, by the Senate on 13 August 2004. After some delay, the U.S. Administration accepted the amended Australian legislation as being consistent with implementation of the agreement.[citation needed] The Agreement came into force in both countries on 1 January 2005. |
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Post by The Turtle on May 28, 2016 13:39:15 GMT
The bookies seem to think this is sewn up - 1/7 to Remain, 4/1 to Leave. Pretty heavy odds in favour of Remain. I don't see it as being anywhere near that cut and dried, do you? Plus the bookies got the last general election massively wrong too. My vote's been cast |
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Post by RickyFullerBeer on May 28, 2016 17:03:15 GMT
Get out.
Well stay in because everyone is too shit scared to change. Absolute muck.
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Post by Dharma Bum on May 29, 2016 23:09:57 GMT
I'm still undecided, but leaning towards an (ideological) out vote. While the EU has done good things (legislation on the environment and consumer and workers' rights, in particular) have they ever achieved anything that we, as a country, couldn't, if we made our votes count in domestic elections? It shouldn't take the EU for us to demand clean beaches, or fair maternity/paternity leave- or whatever else- in the UK. We should be electing governments that serve us, not relying on EU commissions to protect us from the vultures in our own political class who can use Brussels to pass the buck on big issues.
In many respects, the EU is an organisation on a par with the Tories, with a wholehearted focus on neoliberal economics: the push for globalisation (TTIP); the free movement of people to keep wages low; the disparity in wealth between haves and have nots, even between EU members. Look at what's on the horizon for the EU and ask yourself: if we stay in, are things going to get better for us?
I don't blame anyone who votes to stay: an 'out' vote will lead to a degree of financial uncertainty that an 'in' vote won't. If you work for a business that exports to the EU, for example, a vote for out puts you at risk in the near future. However, financial predictions for the next five, ten, fifteen years, post-Brexit? They're not worth the paper they're written on.
As Turts says, whoever wins, it'll be a victory for scare tactics. I don't trust any of the cunts on either side- politicians, 'business leaders', religious figureheads- but it's easier for us to put metaphorical dog shit through our own lot's doors than it is to post a turd in some EU letterbox.
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Post by Northy on May 30, 2016 7:19:54 GMT
I see the immigrant boat people are now coming across the English Channel Target practice for the submariners? |
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at their bequest. Sounds like bollocks to me aimed at the gullible 
