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Post by spunkbubble on Aug 25, 2011 21:48:08 GMT
Sadly I think we don't have enough older posters to make this a good thread.
But Pulis must be really biting at Waddington's heals in the who is the best manager stoke have ever had debate.
And Pulis has done it in a far shorter time scale, in an era, when competing with the big clubs is a fuck load harder.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Aug 25, 2011 21:53:53 GMT
In reality, neither are Lou.
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Post by MermaidSal on Aug 25, 2011 22:03:28 GMT
Sadly I think we don't have enough older posters to make this a good thread. But Pulis must be really biting at Waddington's heals in the who is the best manager stoke have ever had debate. And Pulis has done it in a far shorter time scale, in an era, when competing with the big clubs is a fuck load harder. To get this far in Europe and in such cracking style, I agree. Question is, does FA Cup Runners-Up = League Cup Winners? 2011 style, probably yes (def judging by what happened to Brum next)... but 1972 style? How highly was the League Cup honestly rated by anyone outside S-o-T back then?? |
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Post by Bojantastic on Aug 25, 2011 22:25:47 GMT
Pulis is better when you take into account the money and how many seasons it took both managers to deliver a cup final then europe. Winning the league cup in 1972 was much easier than it is to now get to an FA Cup final when there is a clear elite at the top of the Premier League.  |
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Post by jamlander on Aug 26, 2011 3:51:46 GMT
Dare I beg to differ boys. When Stoke won the League cuo it was taken seriously by all the teams competing in it and for many, many years afterwards. The teams put out to play were full strength/ first teams and you only have to look at the winners to see the ambition of top clubs to win the trophy. For example when Liverpool and Forest were taking the Champios League year after year they were also taking the League Cup. Please don't devalue Stoke's achievement. I also suspect that the Chelsea team that we played in the final were the most respected team in the old first division at the time. The Chelsea side simply oozed class and flair and when on song were unplayable. Unfortunately for them there were two teams of grinders at the time namely Leeds and Arsenal who always edged them out. Leeds could play as well of course. What Waddington achieved at Stoke was quite remarkable. I never went to a home game at that time without expecting Stoke to win although now I'm getting to the stage where I'm not expexcting Stoke to lose. I honestly didn't think that Stoke would lose to Chelsea a few weeks ago and that's an incredible tribute to Pulis and the team when you consider the disparity in budgets between the teams. Waddo's Stoke were a different proposition to today's team, they were full of flair with a superb defence. I can't possibly tell you how good Terry Conroy was - you had to be there. The one utter piece of astounding business of Waddo was to get Hudson to Stoke. The only player I can think of to give you the comparison is to imagine a Paul Scholes, aged 24 coming to play for Stoke and even then I'm only making the comparison because I rate Scoles so highly  Hudson and God go together so sweetly  I don't know how far Pulis can go but it's a tribute to him that only Waddo I believe is up there with him. |
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Post by aworldofmyown on Aug 26, 2011 6:10:13 GMT
I agree with Jamlander; - saves me typing it out again  |
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Post by irbaboon on Aug 26, 2011 7:23:55 GMT
Wow this is a toughy, I actually think it is impossible to compare due to the era's they worked in, however I have a program form 1968 the year I was born of Stoke v Man Utd an on the very first page there is a managers thoughts section and it is Waddington and in it you could almost take a whole section and place it in one of Today's programmes and but the words into TP's mouth as it is Explaining just how tough it is to attract players as the "Transfer fees" were getting more and more and hard to compete with.
We all know that today it is "Players wages" that are the sticking point and not th transfer fees but you see that constraints existed for Stoke even back then.
I still probably think that TW edges the greatest manager pole for me but only on the fact that he won silverware every other department I think TP has excelled.
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Post by Dharma Bum on Aug 26, 2011 7:34:31 GMT
Yeah, but they're no Gudjon Thordason.
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Post by irbaboon on Aug 26, 2011 7:43:21 GMT
Yeah, but they're no Gudjon Thordason. Ahhh Gudjon and his band of merry men ;D |
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Post by SamTheLost on Aug 26, 2011 9:44:44 GMT
Wow this is a toughy, I actually think it is impossible to compare due to the era's they worked in, however I have a program form 1968 the year I was born of Stoke v Man Utd an on the very first page there is a managers thoughts section and it is Waddington and in it you could almost take a whole section and place it in one of Today's programmes and but the words into TP's mouth as it is Explaining just how tough it is to attract players as the "Transfer fees" were getting more and more and hard to compete with. We all know that today it is "Players wages" that are the sticking point and not th transfer fees but you see that constraints existed for Stoke even back then. I still probably think that TW edges the greatest manager pole for me but only on the fact that he won silverware every other department I think TP has excelled. I agree, Pulis has got further in Europe than Waddington ever did and he's made it to the FA cup final which Waddington never managed. However he need needs that one major trophy. Who knows, this could be the year. |
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Post by irbaboon on Aug 26, 2011 9:46:59 GMT
Wow this is a toughy, I actually think it is impossible to compare due to the era's they worked in, however I have a program form 1968 the year I was born of Stoke v Man Utd an on the very first page there is a managers thoughts section and it is Waddington and in it you could almost take a whole section and place it in one of Today's programmes and but the words into TP's mouth as it is Explaining just how tough it is to attract players as the "Transfer fees" were getting more and more and hard to compete with. We all know that today it is "Players wages" that are the sticking point and not th transfer fees but you see that constraints existed for Stoke even back then. I still probably think that TW edges the greatest manager pole for me but only on the fact that he won silverware every other department I think TP has excelled. I agree, Pulis has got further in Europe than Waddington ever did and he's made it to the FA cup final which Waddington never managed. However he need needs that one major trophy. Who knows, this could be the year. I personally think that is the last milestone for him to become the greatest manager in the clubs history, he is very close now despite the fact some people despise him still |
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Post by jamlander on Aug 26, 2011 10:58:47 GMT
Wow this is a toughy, I actually think it is impossible to compare due to the era's they worked in, however I have a program form 1968 the year I was born of Stoke v Man Utd an on the very first page there is a managers thoughts section and it is Waddington and in it you could almost take a whole section and place it in one of Today's programmes and but the words into TP's mouth as it is Explaining just how tough it is to attract players as the "Transfer fees" were getting more and more and hard to compete with. We all know that today it is "Players wages" that are the sticking point and not th transfer fees but you see that constraints existed for Stoke even back then. I still probably think that TW edges the greatest manager pole for me but only on the fact that he won silverware every other department I think TP has excelled. I agree, Pulis has got further in Europe than Waddington ever did and he's made it to the FA cup final which Waddington never managed. However he need needs that one major trophy. Who knows, this could be the year. With all due respect it was the mighty Ajax who knocked us out last time and even then only on away goals  Think Barca, Real Madrid for a comparison Kaiserslautern was unfortunate, without the sending off we'd have been through. German first division team v Croat/Swiss opposition. |
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Hudson and God go together so sweetly 
Think Barca, Real Madrid for a comparison