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Post by jamlander on Jun 19, 2011 10:34:18 GMT
Well I can agree with Dave on his thoughts on taking a responsible, active role when it comes to fatherhood but why stop at pointing the finger of blame there? There must be many mothers out there who are difficult and divisive out there that need a reminder of the importance of the father. Fathers for justice  On a separate note I noticed that all round top poster Carlos has been lurking. You seeing the man you call dad today  |
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Post by WineDelilah on Jun 19, 2011 10:45:37 GMT
Have to say I'm not comfortable with pointing the finger at all fathers who are 'absent' for one reason or other, it's far too broad a brush... the point being that there can be many complex and justifiable reasons for them not having an active part in their children's lives, not least difficult relationship issues with their ex partner.. Also the 'absent parent' tag is not the sole domain of the father, there are many absent mothers for the same reasons as above.. then, of course, there are some who just dont care....  |
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Post by irbaboon on Jun 19, 2011 10:45:59 GMT
My daughter gave me a card this morning, it says thanks for all the advice on all the big decisions in my life..anda picture of a dad saying GOOGLE IT ... she knows me well does me gir |
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Post by jamlander on Jun 19, 2011 10:51:13 GMT
My son gave me a birdtable, I just need a bird now  |
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Post by irbaboon on Jun 19, 2011 10:55:32 GMT
My son gave me a birdtable, I just need a bird now A bird table...cool ;D I have to wait till July to get my fathers day present  |
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Post by MermaidSal on Jun 19, 2011 13:19:16 GMT
Exactly, you've got to take this on the individual cases. And if occasionally a father or mother just can't do parenting when it comes down to it, better if the other partner or even a grandparent takes over than be stuck with a resentful nightmare of a mum or dad.
A lot of non-resident fathers get a bloody awful deal, chased for money and barely get to know their own children, are supplanted by crappy stepfathers who don't really want their new partner's kids, we're living in bad times and I don't think any government initiatives have helped really.
Here's a real quaint notion and God knows I'm the least conservative person: isn't there any way we can put some of the stigma back for having children out of wedlock??
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Post by jamlander on Jun 19, 2011 14:42:51 GMT
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Post by Someone Else on Jun 19, 2011 15:04:19 GMT
Anyone on here from a broken home?
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Post by Retro Porky Heist on Jun 19, 2011 15:16:09 GMT
Exactly, you've got to take this on the individual cases. And if occasionally a father or mother just can't do parenting when it comes down to it, better if the other partner or even a grandparent takes over than be stuck with a resentful nightmare of a mum or dad. A lot of non-resident fathers get a bloody awful deal, chased for money and barely get to know their own children, are supplanted by crappy stepfathers who don't really want their new partner's kids, we're living in bad times and I don't think any government initiatives have helped really. Here's a real quaint notion and God knows I'm the least conservative person: isn't there any way we can put some of the stigma back for having children out of wedlock??The first step is to stop the large minority of people seeing kids as an income or a career choise and take away the option of breeding for benefits....... but i won't go into that one, i always end up being compared to Hitler  |
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Post by MermaidSal on Jun 19, 2011 15:17:21 GMT
I'm a divorced single mum so my kids are, but they see their dad and both sets of grandparents often and get on really well with them. The only shit relationship involved is me and my ex but we do our damnedest not to let that damage the twins and I hope we succeed.
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Post by WineDelilah on Jun 19, 2011 15:26:19 GMT
Exactly, you've got to take this on the individual cases. And if occasionally a father or mother just can't do parenting when it comes down to it, better if the other partner or even a grandparent takes over than be stuck with a resentful nightmare of a mum or dad. A lot of non-resident fathers get a bloody awful deal, chased for money and barely get to know their own children, are supplanted by crappy stepfathers who don't really want their new partner's kids, we're living in bad times and I don't think any government initiatives have helped really. Here's a real quaint notion and God knows I'm the least conservative person: isn't there any way we can put some of the stigma back for having children out of wedlock??The first step is to stop the large minority of people seeing kids as an income or a career choise and take away the option of breeding for benefits....... but i won't go into that one, i always end up being compared to Hitler Impossible to have a 'large minority' and yes, if you think that a majority of women have children for 'income', then I can see how the comparison with Hilter comes about...how the hell do you plan on 'taking away the option of breeding for benefits'... Single mum here, never claimed a benefit, no payments from father, always worked - some may say to the detriment of my daughters - but hey, you have to pay the bills and put food on the table somehow and it's soooooooo difficult to please everyone... Hope you have some glue sticking your arse to the saddle on that high horse you are sitting comfortably on..  |
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Post by MermaidSal on Jun 19, 2011 15:31:49 GMT
Hey I'm not suddenly changing sides.... and there are many great single parents like windel. But, liberating women from feeling they have to get married when pregnant, while an incredibly important breakthrough, has hit hardest with the poorest and most socially excluded and given a generation of kids and mums more difficult lives than many can handle. |
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Post by jamlander on Jun 19, 2011 16:03:13 GMT
Twas just a throwaway joke with reference to your signature Sally Everyone on here knows you're an angel of the highest order. I feel very fortunate that I see my kids growing up seven days a week, 52 weeks of the year but I've had to make sacrifices to do so. I fully understand that women don't want the relationship when they get pregnant and have kids but I feel the other half of that relationship should have equal rights. I also understand that there are men out there who don't want the emotional committment however the financial committment should remain. And Yorkie I don't think it's a career choice for women somehow |
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