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Post by Bayernoatcake on Jun 15, 2011 23:01:24 GMT
He will leave one day though! And the bloke who takes over will do so with a shite academy to look forward to! It's just short-sighted. Coates should, I got told we paid a million quid for the Swede but how long will it take for him not to be played, 3/4 years? It'll be too late by then. It looks like we're in a proper reserve league (not the Premier League one) though this year which is a start! But TP just doesn't trust youth, look at Shotton! Shotton is slowly getting there, a few appearances including the one against Blackpool (short though it was) show this. It is hard for him that he's competing with Wilkinson for a place, who is a player who's been with us for a while, a very good player and a fans favourite. Next season will be the year to judge a few academy players and Shotton with all the extra games that we will hopefully see them in. I agree but lots of people were saying exactly that this season too. He's 22/23 and still only played 2 league games for us. Even Wilko who has showed he's good enough, TP has tried to replace at every opportunity. I think Shotton could be better than Wilko in time but will he get a real chance? I bloody hope so! |
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Post by rhodesy on Jun 15, 2011 23:35:16 GMT
Nothing wrong with higgy in my opinion.
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Post by MermaidSal on Jun 16, 2011 12:21:17 GMT
We need a MINIMUM of 7 new players to have a snowball's of this being a top 10 squad imho. Of those, I desperately want to see at least 5 under 30, as soon as the first picks got injured we were a team of geriatrics last term, sorry to be harsh but it's the truth.
So long as TP's in the chair Rory gets an exemption, better get used to that and Rory's proved me wrong so many times now I just love the guy.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2011 12:44:45 GMT
It makes me sick just thinking about it but I feel you could add Ethers to the Injury list. Just feel he'll have one or two bad knocks in the near future.
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Post by SamTheLost on Jun 16, 2011 17:51:23 GMT
The problem with Rory is that he can't last a full season of games.
He'll be a good player for us for a few years as long as we slowly fade him out and reduce the game time he's getting (so that he's actually fit for all that he plays rather than blowing out of his arse after 10 minutes for the last 5-10 games of a season)
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Post by LakelandPotter on Jun 16, 2011 18:07:59 GMT
The problem with Rory is that he can't last a full season of games. He'll be a good player for us for a few years as long as we slowly fade him out and reduce the game time he's getting (so that he's actually fit for all that he plays rather than blowing out of his arse after 10 minutes for the last 5-10 games of a season) If the squad is of high enough quality, Rory doesn't have to last a full season - at least not in a starting place. He can start some Europa Games and some domestic cup games. In Prem games he's fine to bring on as a sub - both to help close out a game and as an impact sub for his throws. `15 or 20 starts and a similar number of sub appearances and he'd be fine. |
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Post by Bick on Jun 16, 2011 18:22:20 GMT
I agree that it seems a bit unfair to put Higgy on the Crocked list.
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Post by SamTheLost on Jun 16, 2011 19:14:11 GMT
The problem with Rory is that he can't last a full season of games. He'll be a good player for us for a few years as long as we slowly fade him out and reduce the game time he's getting (so that he's actually fit for all that he plays rather than blowing out of his arse after 10 minutes for the last 5-10 games of a season) If the squad is of high enough quality, Rory doesn't have to last a full season - at least not in a starting place. He can start some Europa Games and some domestic cup games. In Prem games he's fine to bring on as a sub - both to help close out a game and as an impact sub for his throws. `15 or 20 starts and a similar number of sub appearances and he'd be fine. I agree with you completely on that. It's just towards the end of the season you can see he's not got the legs to play a full 40-50 games a season. |
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Post by Donkey on Jun 16, 2011 19:17:19 GMT
I think Rory needs to be used in Europe.
As much as he 'isn't just a throw' that is is main forte. The throw was supremely effective in our first Premiership season because teams had fuck all idea what was coming at them. It will have the same effect playing against clueless Europeans who have no idea of the long throw concept.
If this is what Pulis is thinking as well then it is guaranteed goals in a tough European compitition.
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Post by Bayernoatcake on Jun 16, 2011 19:31:37 GMT
Yeah hopefully the throw will have a similar on Europe like it did in our first year up. But people do know about it and I think out of all our players Rory is probably the one who is known the most the world over. So it shouldn't be that much of a surprise but can they deal with it?
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Post by Someone Else on Jun 16, 2011 20:16:04 GMT
Johnny Foreigner will be crying his little continental eyes out when Rory starts chucking 'em in.
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Post by Bayernoatcake on Jun 16, 2011 20:17:57 GMT
I hope so, they don't like it up 'em!
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Post by Slother on Jun 17, 2011 10:20:45 GMT
I'm not seeking to controversial for the sake of it but where is the evidence that 'TP doesn't trust youth' and doesn't have time for the academy? We've seen youngsters play first team occasionally for a bit of experience when we can afford to but 99% of the time every game is vital for us. If these players cannot cut it at the top level, why should we expect them to be there?
We've come such a huge long way in a relatively short space of time. Our stadium still isn't what you would call 'finished', and we've plunged millions of investment into the training ground. We seem to be snapping up plenty of youngsters in the transfer market: presumably in the expectation that they'll one day be good enough or at least return a healthy profit.
We appointed Steve Holland - one of the top youth coaches in the country - who unfortunately got poached by a club a million miles ahead of us. We wouldn't have done so were we unconcerned with this area of the game.
Crewe's success with their youth academy is legendary across the country and this may be why we are yet to see many local talents come through, but surely the evidence is all around that we are attempting to emulate something like their set-up and a bit of patience is needed for it to come to fruition?
Like I say, I'd welcome someone to tell me why I'm wrong because it does seem to be a bit of a received opinion that I don't understand.
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Post by PenkhullStokie on Jun 17, 2011 10:35:23 GMT
I'm not seeking to controversial for the sake of it but where is the evidence that 'TP doesn't trust youth' and doesn't have time for the academy? We've seen youngsters play first team occasionally for a bit of experience when we can afford to but 99% of the time every game is vital for us. If these players cannot cut it at the top level, why should we expect them to be there? We've come such a huge long way in a relatively short space of time. Our stadium still isn't what you would call 'finished', and we've plunged millions of investment into the training ground. We seem to be snapping up plenty of youngsters in the transfer market: presumably in the expectation that they'll one day be good enough or at least return a healthy profit. We appointed Steve Holland - one of the top youth coaches in the country - who unfortunately got poached by a club a million miles ahead of us. We wouldn't have done so were we unconcerned with this area of the game. Crewe's success with their youth academy is legendary across the country and this may be why we are yet to see many local talents come through, but surely the evidence is all around that we are attempting to emulate something like their set-up and a bit of patience is needed for it to come to fruition? Like I say, I'd welcome someone to tell me why I'm wrong because it does seem to be a bit of a received opinion that I don't understand. Why did Diao start over Lund/Cuvelier in the Man City away game? Cuvelier was asked to stay behind(he was on international duty) by TP, and Cuvelier said he would if he was on the bench/starting, TP then said the next day, no worries, I'll play Diao. |
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Post by Slother on Jun 17, 2011 10:50:37 GMT
Why did Diao start over Lund/Cuvelier in the Man City away game? Cuvelier was asked to stay behind(he was on international duty) by TP, and Cuvelier said he would if he was on the bench/starting, TP then said the next day, no worries, I'll play Diao. If that's exactly what happened, that would make TP deliberately malicious/vindictive/antagonistic without reason - which I don't think I buy. What reason would there be to ask Cuvelier to stay behind other than the intention to make him a part of the first team proceedings? If he didn't start, he should respect the manager's decision. Maybe TP didn't take kindly to Cuvelier trying to dictate the terms of his selection to him and wanted to make a point. |
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Post by PenkhullStokie on Jun 17, 2011 11:19:24 GMT
Why did Diao start over Lund/Cuvelier in the Man City away game? Cuvelier was asked to stay behind(he was on international duty) by TP, and Cuvelier said he would if he was on the bench/starting, TP then said the next day, no worries, I'll play Diao. If that's exactly what happened, that would make TP deliberately malicious/vindictive/antagonistic without reason - which I don't think I buy. What reason would there be to ask Cuvelier to stay behind other than the intention to make him a part of the first team proceedings? If he didn't start, he should respect the manager's decision. Maybe TP didn't take kindly to Cuvelier trying to dictate the terms of his selection to him and wanted to make a point. Cuvelier would of been on the bench vs Man City. Fact. Belgium game was a few days after, but he had to travel to day of the Citeh game, Pulis asked him to miss the game, it was a friendly, Cuvelier said ok, and the Belgium boss knew about it, understood. Pulis then told him the next day to go and play for Beglium, as he'll use Diao instead. Why did he change his mind? Diao has experience and is over 30. |
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Post by Slother on Jun 17, 2011 11:23:05 GMT
Why indeed.
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Post by Donkey on Jun 17, 2011 13:31:19 GMT
I really want to watch Cuvelier play.
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Post by PenkhullStokie on Jun 17, 2011 14:44:37 GMT
Man Utd should sign him to replace Scholes.  |
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Post by Bayernoatcake on Jun 17, 2011 15:19:44 GMT
I'm not seeking to controversial for the sake of it but where is the evidence that 'TP doesn't trust youth' and doesn't have time for the academy? We've seen youngsters play first team occasionally for a bit of experience when we can afford to but 99% of the time every game is vital for us. If these players cannot cut it at the top level, why should we expect them to be there? We've come such a huge long way in a relatively short space of time. Our stadium still isn't what you would call 'finished', and we've plunged millions of investment into the training ground. We seem to be snapping up plenty of youngsters in the transfer market: presumably in the expectation that they'll one day be good enough or at least return a healthy profit. We appointed Steve Holland - one of the top youth coaches in the country - who unfortunately got poached by a club a million miles ahead of us. We wouldn't have done so were we unconcerned with this area of the game. Crewe's success with their youth academy is legendary across the country and this may be why we are yet to see many local talents come through, but surely the evidence is all around that we are attempting to emulate something like their set-up and a bit of patience is needed for it to come to fruition? Like I say, I'd welcome someone to tell me why I'm wrong because it does seem to be a bit of a received opinion that I don't understand. All good points but isn't that down to Coates? I know for a fact it is, the training ground was built for the academy in mind as well as the first team. TP has shown through his career that he has not time for youth players and youth football in general. Some of his grievances are spot on like how it's too soft, it is. But then to dismiss it like he does is bloody daft. Pulis is renowned for not trusting youth and being a stickler for it. It's taken Wilko 10 years to get to 100 games in a TP dominated era. I think he should/could have had double that if he was played when he should. Why wasn't he? TP has no faith in our academy players. The academy is fundamentally rotten and is being propped up by cash and not the talent and trust in a youth policy every club should have. |
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