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Post by Orbs on Nov 2, 2012 21:36:57 GMT
Just because you think the BBC has/is gloryfying the war doesn't make the job any more dangerous or mean the soldiers shouldn't deserve our gratitude and upmost respect.
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Post by jamlander on Nov 2, 2012 21:55:04 GMT
I hate to say it but, i think mumf sums it up perfectly for me over yonder .......except for his insults  .....and if free speech existed you'd be able to back him up. |
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Post by Dharma Bum on Nov 3, 2012 0:27:03 GMT
Just because you think the BBC has/is gloryfying the war doesn't make the job any more dangerous or mean the soldiers shouldn't deserve our gratitude and upmost respect. Not sure what current soldiers serving in Afghanistan have done to deserve my gratitude and respect. Knocking off a bunch of blokes in sandals, who ride round the desert on motorbikes, isn't exactly a higher calling, is it? On a human level, I hope they come home safe, for the sake of themselves and their families- but I also hope they don't accidentally blow up some poor Afghan family for the same reason. |
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Post by Time4aPINT on Nov 3, 2012 2:04:13 GMT
Saddam Hussein was a cunt but maybe that does not justify the second Iraq war. The war in Afghanistan was for the wrong reasons (a possible threat of terrorism) but the death penalty for educating your daughter is a disgrace and a noble cause for war. The recent conflicts and the soldiers who served deserve the same respect as those who fought in The Great War and World War II.
Forget the politicians and respect those who have served us.
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Post by Orbs on Nov 3, 2012 6:54:26 GMT
Just because you think the BBC has/is gloryfying the war doesn't make the job any more dangerous or mean the soldiers shouldn't deserve our gratitude and upmost respect. Not sure what current soldiers serving in Afghanistan have done to deserve my gratitude and respect. I would think that British soldiers serving anywhere at anytime would warrant this. They don't choose where to go. Look at Shiny NH* off here. I might not agree with the current conflict but he is one brave bastard who definitely has my respect for going out there. *Or some other cunt. |
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Post by unclefestersstrawb on Nov 3, 2012 7:20:34 GMT
Gooarn orbs....it eem ;D ;D
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Post by Dharma Bum on Nov 3, 2012 12:41:19 GMT
Not sure what current soldiers serving in Afghanistan have done to deserve my gratitude and respect. I would think that British soldiers serving anywhere at anytime would warrant this. They don't choose where to go. Look at Shiny NH* off here. I might not agree with the current conflict but he is one brave bastard who definitely has my respect for going out there. *Or some other cunt. They don't choose where they go- but they choose to join the forces. You know what you're getting in to when you join up. Personally, I think this 'respect soldiers no matter what' mantra that is perpetuated by a large majority of the population is not healthy. If you're too scared to say, 'what the government is having the army do is wrong' in case you offend soldiers, whether they be currently serving or ex, then you legitimise what the government is sending them off to do. You make it so that governments will always be able to send people off to do their dirty work. You keep putting soldiers on a pedestal and they'll keep being sent overseas to die. If you believe that soldiers deserve respect and gratitude no matter what, then you're spreading a lie akin to 'Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori'. |
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Post by Salopstick on Nov 3, 2012 12:47:38 GMT
I would think that British soldiers serving anywhere at anytime would warrant this. They don't choose where to go. Look at Shiny NH* off here. I might not agree with the current conflict but he is one brave bastard who definitely has my respect for going out there. *Or some other cunt. Look at me I can speak Latin* Google cut and paste job I reckon |
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Post by Dharma Bum on Nov 3, 2012 12:49:44 GMT
'It is sweet and commendable to die for one's country'
Owen, like a most of the war poets, is compulsory at GCSE level English.
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Post by Salopstick on Nov 3, 2012 12:52:29 GMT
For the record I hate this era of the suns millies awards, help for heroes and other bollocks for forces regonition.
I prefer Remembrance Sunday and the RBL.
I don't think every company should be offering discounts etc.
However with service comes time away from your area. When that soldier leaves local authorities should be aware of the problems they face getting kids into schools, housing, doctors etc. and offer the appropriate support.
I have aided on a number of presentations to civilians explaining what the forces do and some of the routine things to a civilian they have problems with once leaving.
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Post by Orbs on Nov 3, 2012 15:54:30 GMT
consentire volumus dissentias then Dharms innit.  |
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Post by MermaidSal on Nov 3, 2012 19:19:51 GMT
For the record I hate this era of the suns millies awards, help for heroes and other bollocks for forces regonition. I prefer Remembrance Sunday and the RBL. I don't think every company should be offering discounts etc. However with service comes time away from your area. When that soldier leaves local authorities should be aware of the problems they face getting kids into schools, housing, doctors etc. and offer the appropriate support. I have aided on a number of presentations to civilians explaining what the forces do and some of the routine things to a civilian they have problems with once leaving. +1 |
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Post by unclefestersstrawb on Nov 3, 2012 20:29:48 GMT
Foetidus orbitalus
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Nov 3, 2012 22:17:54 GMT
There is definitely a media deification of Forces personnel, and it's not one that sits well with me, being a complete contrarian.
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Post by KernowS on Nov 3, 2012 23:52:33 GMT
Respect and Rememberance. We all have our own ideas about which wars are justified and what battles are not, and whilst we shouldn't argue about who killed whom, we should accept that whilst we may have lost a son, we have gained a daughter in law.
In all seriousness though, remember. No matter what life has delt us, we're still typing
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Post by The Funkasaurus on Nov 4, 2012 17:53:02 GMT
Just because you think the BBC has/is gloryfying the war doesn't make the job any more dangerous or mean the soldiers shouldn't deserve our gratitude and upmost respect. Not sure what current soldiers serving in Afghanistan have done to deserve my gratitude and respect. Knocking off a bunch of blokes in sandals, who ride round the desert on motorbikes, isn't exactly a higher calling, is it? On a human level, I hope they come home safe, for the sake of themselves and their families- but I also hope they don't accidentally blow up some poor Afghan family for the same reason. That 'bunch of blokes in sandals' managed to kick the mighty USSR's ass out of there and are doing a bloody good job of doing the same to the US/UK/UN forces! |
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Post by The Funkasaurus on Nov 4, 2012 18:00:50 GMT
I would think that British soldiers serving anywhere at anytime would warrant this. They don't choose where to go. Look at Shiny NH* off here. I might not agree with the current conflict but he is one brave bastard who definitely has my respect for going out there. *Or some other cunt. They don't choose where they go- but they choose to join the forces. You know what you're getting in to when you join up. Personally, I think this 'respect soldiers no matter what' mantra that is perpetuated by a large majority of the population is not healthy. If you're too scared to say, 'what the government is having the army do is wrong' in case you offend soldiers, whether they be currently serving or ex, then you legitimise what the government is sending them off to do. You make it so that governments will always be able to send people off to do their dirty work. You keep putting soldiers on a pedestal and they'll keep being sent overseas to die. If you believe that soldiers deserve respect and gratitude no matter what, then you're spreading a lie akin to 'Dulce et decorum est, pro patria mori'. I still believe that yes, on 11/11 we should remember fallen soldiers regardless of what conflict they died in and that we should still buy poppies to raise money to help bereaved soldiers families, injured ex soldiers regardless of what conflict this happened in. This doesn't stop people in any way campaigning/raising awareness against wars that you believe are illegal or immoral. Personally I don't believe we should be in Afghanistan, but that won't ever stop me buying a poppy to raise money for the servicemen who have been injured in that war or remembering the dead on Armistice day. |
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Post by starkiller on Nov 4, 2012 21:15:06 GMT
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Post by nonigton on Nov 4, 2012 21:52:31 GMT
'It is sweet and commendable to die for one's country' Owen, like a most of the war poets, is compulsory at GCSE level English. I've been to Wilfred Owen's grave. |
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Post by Campervan Von Bigglesworth on Nov 4, 2012 22:27:49 GMT
I didnt like him in " last of the summer wine" ....
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