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Post by Ribanjo Fuller on Sept 12, 2011 18:09:04 GMT
If you want to watch a club go all out attack against teams that are obviously better than them then you should probably get yourself a Blackpool top and enjoy Championship football ;D We were up against a much better team playing with more confidence then they have done in the last 2 years and they couldn't break us down. They had Adam, Henderson, Downing, Suarez, Carroll and Bellamy all bombing forward and they still couldn't beat our defence. They had that mad scramble and Suarez scuff at the end and pretty much nothing else. We're unbeaten in 8 and we've won 6 of those, we've just beaten Liverpool with one of the best defensive displays you'll ever see and we're fourth in the table. Yeah, the tactics are wank and we really haven't progressed that far have we  Pulis does my nut in at times as well, but what the fuck do you want, total destruction of every team we play? |
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Post by irbaboon on Sept 12, 2011 18:13:25 GMT
If you want to watch a club go all out attack against teams that are obviously better than them then you should probably get yourself a Blackpool top and enjoy Championship football ;D We were up against a much better team playing with more confidence then they have done in the last 2 years and they couldn't break us down. They had Adam, Henderson, Downing, Suarez, Carroll and Bellamy all bombing forward and they still couldn't beat our defence. They had that mad scramble and Suarez scuff at the end and pretty much nothing else. We're unbeaten in 8 and we've won 6 of those, we've just beaten Liverpool with one of the best defensive displays you'll ever see and we're fourth in the table. Yeah, the tactics are wank and we really haven't progressed that far have we Pulis does my nut in at times as well, but what the fuck do you want, total destruction of every team we play? I don't expect total destrcution of any team, I have supported Stoke way too fucking long to believe in those fairytails however ONE..yes ONE shot which was a penno on goal at home is that really good enough? I will iterate again well chuffed with the points and the victory but come on really is that what we were expecting? |
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Post by jamlander on Sept 12, 2011 18:33:34 GMT
Best unbeaten start to a season since 1978 - 10 games unbeaten and the only other one better than this was 9 games in 1926. If you're unhappy with this start then mentally you must be further down the food chain than the rest of us  Say a baboon or a donkey, for example  |
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Post by Ribanjo Fuller on Sept 12, 2011 18:36:18 GMT
ONE..yes ONE shot which was a penno on goal at home is that really good enough? If it leads to a 1-0 win against a club like Liverpool to take us into the top 4, then it's more than good enough. |
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Post by irbaboon on Sept 12, 2011 20:33:59 GMT
Good grief, how many rose tinted specs on here today? I said well chuffed with the start with the points blah blah blahddy blah add infinitum. My point is are Liverpool so much better than us to come here and literally restrict us to one shot at home? I think not and really boys lets us not kid ourselves here if it was not for shit finishing we would of been moaning our bags off about it all today. If we play that tactical gamble against the shit then you will be using all 12 of your lancashire fingers to count the goals |
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Post by Ribanjo Fuller on Sept 12, 2011 22:17:34 GMT
I just typed out a full response and lost it because this board is prone to the odd fuck up, so I'll summarise.
You're wrong.
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Post by irbaboon on Sept 12, 2011 23:09:22 GMT
I just typed out a full response and lost it because this board is prone to the odd fuck up, so I'll summarise. You're wrong. I don't proclaim to be right about what I have said, for me there is a simple thing and that is at home I expect at least to be giving Liverpool a little more of a run for their money. For the past 3 seasons we have seen pretty much what we saw on Satuday as the norm for away performances do I want to be seeing that now creep into the home matches after we are supposedly evolving, no not really. However if TP feels that is the way he can gain the bonus points of the so called bigger teams then so it must be and I will still be giving it the full vocal backing for Block 25 for every premiership home match I don't have to be tickity boo about it but I appreciate that it is how he feels we can progress as a club by still giving out the perception that we must play a backs to the wall game against the likes of Liverpool, Chelsea, Man Utd at our own ground. As this thread states, cracking start to the season better then any of us could have ever imagined given the fixture list but let's not get carried away we were mighty fortunate against the Baggies and this week against the Bin Dippers. Up the Potters  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 9:26:35 GMT
I'm going to sit right on the fence on this one and make no apologies for it. I think Liverpool have improved enormously since we beat them last season. Top four for me if they play like that all year. Enough to restrict us to one shot on goal? Probably not in all honesty, but they did play very well and a big part of that, which often gets overlooked, is stopping the opposition from playing. I'll bet they can't believe they lost. We mustn't forget too that new signings will take a little while to settle in (hoping they do, Dave Kitson  ) Pulis methodology is to get a solid defensive unit first and foremost and you can't deny that he's done that since he's been in charge, not just since we've been in the Prem. It's a moot point if he's got anything else in his tactical approach such as keeping the ball better. We'll have to see. (I have to say, for what it's worth, that even though it's frustrating to watch Stoke give the ball away, I genuinely don't think possession means all that much. Every week there are teams, like us, who get a positive result by not having much of the ball. As Rhodesy will tell you about sex, what you do with it matters so much more ). |
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Post by jamlander on Sept 13, 2011 10:13:20 GMT
In some ways Pulis's approach reminds me of Cloughie's Forest team and bizarrely it'e the Liverpool game that's made me think of this. More often than not Liverpool battered Forest yet the result always seemed to be 0-0 or 0-1. Clough built a fantastic defensive unit and a proper team. Always utilised good wingers who worked hard for the team with good forwards up front.
The evolution of this team is there for all to see. Pulis being cautious against two teams, one of which is aiming to win the Champions League and the other that is flying with a glut of class signings is perfectly acceptable to me.
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Post by irbaboon on Sept 13, 2011 10:14:35 GMT
I'm going to sit right on the fence on this one and make no apologies for it. I think Liverpool have improved enormously since we beat them last season. Top four for me if they play like that all year. Enough to restrict us to one shot on goal? Probably not in all honesty, but they did play very well and a big part of that, which often gets overlooked, is stopping the opposition from playing. I'll bet they can't believe they lost. We mustn't forget too that new signings will take a little while to settle in (hoping they do, Dave Kitson ) Pulis methodology is to get a solid defensive unit first and foremost and you can't deny that he's done that since he's been in charge, not just since we've been in the Prem. It's a moot point if he's got anything else in his tactical approach such as keeping the ball better. We'll have to see. (I have to say, for what it's worth, that even though it's frustrating to watch Stoke give the ball away, I genuinely don't think possession means all that much. Every week there are teams, like us, who get a positive result by not having much of the ball. As Rhodesy will tell you about sex, what you do with it matters so much more ). The point about keeping the ball better is a very valid point and had it not been for superb defending, awesome goalkeeping and shyte Liverpool finishing on Saturday we could have easily found ourselves climbing a mountain for a result because we gave the ball away too cheaply at times. I am hoping that we go to Sunderland on Sunday looking for a win |
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Post by jamlander on Sept 13, 2011 10:26:01 GMT
The fact remains that Stoke were easily the better of the two sides defensively and got their rewards for it. Apart from the Henderson move Liverpool were contained by Stoke's tactics.
Begovic made one error and we were lucky the ball didn't find the back of the net.
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Post by irbaboon on Sept 13, 2011 10:27:48 GMT
The fact remains that Stoke were easily the better of the two sides defensively and got their rewards for it. Apart from the Henderson move Liverpool were contained by Stoke's tactics. Begovic made one error and we were lucky the ball didn't find the back of the net. And the Suarez open goal |
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Post by jamlander on Sept 13, 2011 10:31:28 GMT
The fact remains that Stoke were easily the better of the two sides defensively and got their rewards for it. Apart from the Henderson move Liverpool were contained by Stoke's tactics. Begovic made one error and we were lucky the ball didn't find the back of the net. And the Suarez open goal That was the one Begovic mistake |
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Post by irbaboon on Sept 13, 2011 10:36:40 GMT
And the Suarez open goal That was the one Begovic mistake What about his flap in the first half that touched the ball to the back stick that was a bit of a mishap too (I thought that was the one you were talking about) OptaJoe Opta Sports 8 - Stoke City have accrued as many points as they have managed shots on target this season. Frugal. 20 minutes ago Just got that off the Oatie |
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Post by jamlander on Sept 13, 2011 10:39:06 GMT
That was the one Begovic mistake What about his flap in the first half that touched the ball to the back stick that was a bit of a mishap too (I thought that was the one you were talking about) OptaJoe Opta Sports 8 - Stoke City have accrued as many points as they have managed shots on target this season. Frugal. 20 minutes ago Just got that off the Oatie I was giving him the benefit of the doubt on that one Sid. Even then fabulous defending kept the ball out of the net  |
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Post by irbaboon on Sept 13, 2011 11:00:04 GMT
What about his flap in the first half that touched the ball to the back stick that was a bit of a mishap too (I thought that was the one you were talking about) OptaJoe Opta Sports 8 - Stoke City have accrued as many points as they have managed shots on target this season. Frugal. 20 minutes ago Just got that off the Oatie I was giving him the benefit of the doubt on that one Sid. Even then fabulous defending kept the ball out of the net |
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Post by jamlander on Sept 13, 2011 11:58:39 GMT
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt on that one Sid. Even then fabulous defending kept the ball out of the net I've got nothing at all to add Sid, I just need the last word  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 13:30:28 GMT
Just moving this on slightly, I can't wait to see the approach to the Kiev game, both in team line-up and tactics.
The obvious conclusion is that he'll play it very tight and try to nick something but you just don't know with TP and Europe. With all the travelling and away Prem games after every Europa Lge game, I'm not convinced he'll take it all that seriously.
Just a hunch but I think he might go for it ;D
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Post by irbaboon on Sept 13, 2011 15:56:43 GMT
Just moving this on slightly, I can't wait to see the approach to the Kiev game, both in team line-up and tactics. The obvious conclusion is that he'll play it very tight and try to nick something but you just don't know with TP and Europe. With all the travelling and away Prem games after every Europa Lge game, I'm not convinced he'll take it all that seriously. Just a hunch but I think he might go for it ;D TP will take this seriously and that is why I think he is adopting a more cautious approach to the premiership, he knows how to get points in the premiership he knows the formula to stay up is keeping things tight. I think he wants to WIN the UEFA cup I honestly think that TP could no more not take a game seriously as he could cut his own pidge off with a rusty spoon |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2011 16:10:22 GMT
Winning the UEFA Cup! Imagine that! What I mean is TP knows the Prem is still the be all and end all and having looked at the fixtures both in EL and Prem, I think he may decide to give us three cracking nights at the Brit in the EL and lose the defensive mode away in the EL, knowing that if we lose those games and don't progress it's not such a bad thing. A little like our approach to the domestic cups in our first season up. I just think adding another 15 games to the season doesn't fill him with glee. |
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